It's Monday, and you guessed right! It's also Question and Answer Day! Yeah! This week's question is...
What is your view on abortion? Do you think it's right? Who do you think should get abortions?
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39 comments:
Abortion is in the choice of the....beholder I guess. There's nobody that SHOULD get an abortion, but I certainly believe that there are circumstances when abortion is perfectly acceptable and permissable. If someone were to be raped and impregnanted, I believe that it is completely okay for them to want to get an abortion. The same thing goes for people who are too young, or people who just can't have a baby in their lives right now. I don't believe that it's okay for the public to make decisions like this for every single person. There are many different circumstances which would allow for someone to choose abortion. For someone to stand up and say that nobody is allowed to get an abortion because they don't think it's okay is, in my opinion, wrong. If your opinion is that abortion is wrong, that's perfectly okay. But I don't think that it's okay for someone to make it illegal for someone else to get an abortion. We don't know the situation that they're in. They could have a perfectly good reason for getting an abortion. And for that reason, I am pro-choice.
I am Pro-Life! Abortion is murder, no matter how you put it. You could be in a terrible postition and not be able to take care of your baby because you are too young, but that doesn't give you a right to kill a baby that has as much of a right to live as you do. Instead of aborting, I believe, the better choice is to have the baby and put it up for adoption. That way, the child can be given to a family that will love it and take care of it, instead of being denied a life. The baby you choose to abort could be a powerful, successfull person, and you could be denying the world of a brilliant mind. God put us ALL on the planet for a reason and we ALL deserve to live on it.
That last comment was by me, Stephanie, by the way. :]
I agree with anonymous. Abortion doesn't need to be decided by the government for each individual person. It's a woman and her body, which also makes the entire subject all the more strange, considering how many old men are lawmakers. Hmm. How many men ever become pregnant in their life? Hmm. Zero. So, now, is it really fair for someone who will NEVER be put in the same situation as a woman considering an abortion to decide what she can/should do with her body? Umm. No. Abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control, as it is an incredibly serious, life changing decision. However, there are such circumstances out there that may require an abortion. A woman's body is her own. No one can decide what anyone can do with their body.
It's funny how all of these people who are pro-choice only talk about the woman holding the baby. What about the life inside the woman? The baby. What about his/her life. Doesn't he/she have rights too? It isn't all about the women and what she wants or needs. There's more than one life involved in abortion. And if this woman really thought about that, she wouldn't kill her own child.
♥Steph♥
And often pro-lifers only think of the child. It's perfectly acceptable for you to be pro-life, but to try to pass laws that force others to be pro-life is wrong, unconstitutional, and stupid. It is ultimatley the woman's choice to decide whether or not she gets an abortion.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion and choice, and to prevent others from this is wrong. So I am not argueing with those who have different views than me. I am argueing with those who are trying to enforce their opinions uppon others. Because that is NOT okay.
A woman SHOULD be able to make her own decisions if it's not harming someone else. She should not be able to make a choice that prevents another human from living. When a woman gets an abortion:
There are many medical consequences that may prevent her from ever having a child, even when she's ready. In some cases, even death. That's two lives lost to abortion.
A lot of women suffer from serious depression from having an abortion.
And even though abortion shouldn't be used as birth control, it is. Women should be more responsible and live up to their actions.
I would think you believe murder is wrong. Please explain to me how abortion is different.
♥steph
If you're so against abortion, then be sure not to get one yourself. You're acting like you know so much about the subject, but to really be educated about it and to tell me the consequences of abortion,you would need to research both sides of the story. I don't need to convince you that you are wrong or that i am right. I can believe what I believe and you can believe what you believe. As long as nobody presses their opinions, we can all live happily.
This is a debate. We can't just say let's not argue about this anymore so we can live happily ever after. That's not the point of this. We are trying to convince eachother to switch opinions on abortion. We can't just set this debate aside. I WANT to convince you that abortion is wrong. And I WANT a messy debate. None of this "agree to disagree" buisness!
And you can feel free to look up facts to back up Pro-choicers, I'm not going to. That's not where I stand.
And by the way, I would NEVER get an abortion, long as I live.
-Steph
Let me first make it clear that pro-choicers are not pro-abortion. I'm not sure if I'd ever get an abortion either. But what I do support is the right for women to make that important decision themselves.
Abortion can save the life of a woman if childbirth is deadly to her. And women are so much more than a fetus! Why would you save something that hasn't even lived yet as opposed to something that has so much more life to give?
Childbirth is supposed to be a blessing, not a burden. Bringing an unwanted child into the world could do more harm than good. "Unwanted children" are more likely to become criminals, do poorly in school, and become involved in drugs. Is that really what we want to fill society with?
But what if the child becomes a genius? What if it discovers the cure for cancer? What if pigs could fly? If the only arguments that pro-lifers can come up with are what ifs, then you're not convincing me. I've researched the pros to abortion and I've researched the cons, and I'm still pro-choice. If you want me to even respect your opinion, I suggest you do the same.
The point of a debate is not to be messy. Let's not make that our goal. <3
Facts provided by: http://ezinearticles.com/?Teen-Pregnancy---The-Pros-and-Cons-Of-Abortion&id=665523
http://tiger.towson.edu/users/bpahl1/pros%20and%20cons%20page.htm
Nobody wants a woman to die from pregnancy, but we're not in the 1800s. These days child birth is very safe. It is a very rare situation that a woman would die from having a baby. And I understand that pro-choicers are not "for" abortion. You might think it's bad, but it's okay for everyone else to do because it's "their choice", but why is it okay for someone to do something bad, but not you? If YOU would never get an abortion, why don't you care that everyone one else should make the choice you are "against"?
And I'm not the only one saying "what if?". Your whole argument is based on what if. What if the woman is in a bad situation? What if she's too young? What if, what if, what if. You could come up with hundreds of terrible situations and abortion would still not be alright.
And who decides if a child is unwanted? That's terrible. No child is unwanted. And if, as humans, we only took things in our life that were blessings not burdens, we would never learn from our mistakes and the world would be a pretty screwed up place.
As a human race, we have the responsibility to create a society where everyone has the chance to exsist. A baby shouldn't die because a woman took her chances having unprotected sex! And when a woman is pregnant, she SHOULDN'T be given the oppurtunity to "just get an abortion" so everything will be alright. We have to protect soon to be mothers by not pressing them to make such a complicated decision. It's a terrible situation for a woman, especially when she starts to feel the baby move. Why do we, as a society, force women to make that horrible choice?
Society forces women to have abortions? If there is any pressure on women at all, it's the pressure NOT to have an abortion, the pressure that if they do that it's something that is morally and ethically wrong. Society does not force women to get abortions at all! As I said, it's pro choice, not pro-abortion!
And if you had done your research like I had suggested, you would know that once you can feel your baby move, it's too late to have an abortion.
And I never said that I was against abortion, I just said I probably wouldn't get one. Who really knows though? Who knows until they are put in such a delicate situation?
It seems sad and cruel, but no matter how much we wish it weren't true, hundreds of children are born into the arms of regretful parents. These children could be subjected to abuse and neglect throughout their lives, turning them into less than wanted citizens.
And you say that abortion is murder. But let me ask you this: what point does the fetus become a person? At the point of birth? At the point of conception? At the point that you can feel it moving in your tummy?
We already know that by the time you can feel the baby moving, abortion is illegal. And if the baby becomes a person at the point of conception, then wouldn't that make birth control pills murder as well? Birth control pills prevent the chance of conception almost 100% of the time. Wouldn't you argue that by using birth control, you aren't giving the unborn baby a chance to live? How is birth control different from abortion?
I do not use the term what if nearly as much as others. Most cases of abortion are for women under the age of 25, peaking at around 18 and 19 years old. Which means that abortion is allowing these children to escape the prison that teen mothers are forced into when they have children. Having a child at a young age forces you to give up your own childhood and become a mother when you're not ready. Which goes back to having unwanted children which are brought up in poverty and abuse. Is that really what you want?
You might argue that if teens don't want to be parents, they could just give their children up for adoption?
But teens, as well as any other expecting mother, bond with their child in the months of pregnancy, as well as childbirth. By giving their children up for adoption, they feel that they are abandoning their own children. Why else would birth parents seek out their children later in life after they are given up for adoption?
Both abortion and adoption obviously affect a woman's mind and psyche, but I think it is clear that adoption can be much harder.
Anyway, what happens if a teen pulls a "just kidding" and decides to take the child back? Not only are you harming the newly developed family, but it would hurt the child as well. Don't you all want the best for the child?
Giving the government control over a women's body is innacceptable. How would they know when to stop? Could they force teens into motherhood, taking away their choices of adoption as well?
Most people who are pro-life are that way due to religious or ethical reasons, and to force others away from the choice of abortion is, to me, like forcing your beliefs upon others.
Like if you say that abortion is wrong, then it should be illegal.
If you think that sex before marriage is wrong, then it should be illegal.
Where do we draw the line between freedom of choice and freedom of religion? Why should religion and ethics affect the way the government writes laws?
As Americans, we have the right to have our own beliefs. And if you don't believe that abortion is wrong, then why should it be made illegal because someone else thinks it's wrong?
Making abortion illegal would never stop abortion. It would only stop legal abortion. There would be an increase in unproffesional and unsafe abortion, which would not only kill the baby but potentially the mother.
We don't force women to have abortions, we force them to make that decision. We put these women against their babies. And it is in fact LEGAL for a woman to have an abortion in the second trimester of pregnancy. (http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/dilation-and-evacuation-de-for-abortion)
So, if they're living in poverty they should have abortions because they can't afford their child? Isn't that a stereotype against poor people? Isn't that discrimination? You are also stereotyping teenagers! Who says adolesants can't be good mothers? Why not? With help and support a teen can be a good mother, no fact says she can't be. And throwing away her childhood is her fault. She should have thought of that when she was having underage, unprotected sex. Because it's nobody's fault but her own that she is in a "delicate" situation.
Many women are ambivalent, including teenagers, when it comes to abortion. And they will have many people supporting them when they want to get an abortion, but what happens when she regrets it later? Where will her pro-choicers be then? She can't take her abortion back and she'll have to suffer in silence.
And I think women would rather have their child put up for adoption, then kill it off. And yes, some women do change their mind after putting their child up for adoption. But, that doesn't mean we should give up with adoption entirely and switch to aborting. I think it would be better to see your child grow up with a family that loves it, rather than have it grow up in a harsh lifestyle and become a drug addict or convict, or worse, have it killed.
When does a fetus become a person, you ask? Right when the egg is fertilized. Just because the baby hasn't had a chance to grow up and be something, doesn't mean it's not a person. To quote Dr. Suess, "A person is a person, no matter how small."
Abortion and birth control are two very different things. If it's abortion you're talking about, the baby is already alive. It's a person, a baby, it breathes, it's human. There's no denying that. If it's birth control, there is no baby. No baby to be killed. Contraceptives prevent pregnancy while abortions get rid of it.
Yes, I think abortion should be illegal. Even though as Americans we get to make our own choices, abortion is so very different. It is murder. I don't understand why you can sit back and sit happy when you know innocent PEOPLE everywhere are being killed because their mothers chose abortion. I don't understand how you can think abortion is an okay thing to do as long as you get to make the decision by yourself.
You may not be pro-abortion, but you're pro-choice and if you're pro-choice that means people CAN have abortions and you don't have a problem with that.
What we need are more Pregnancy Crisis Centers. These centers help pregnant women who are in "crisis" situations. When you're pregnant, I don't think abortion should be an option. If you're pregnant, you're giving birth. There are so many organizations that can help you if you're pregnant and need help. There is absoloutley no excuse to have an abortion.
And for the record, I don't like cutesy debates. ♥
I forgot to add something!
This IS NOT about religion. It is about human rights. I'm not trying to press my relgion upon other people. That has nothing to do with it. I believe murder is wrong. Humans have rights, even if they're not born yet. ♥
Going back to: "Don't you want all the best for the child?"
When you ask that...WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU THINKING? You're saying "don't you want the best for the child?" while you're also saying "abortion is okay in the right situation". So you think abortion is the best for the child? I don't think so. Murder is not the best thing for a child. And I think abortion is much harder on a mother than adoption. Atleast with adoption you know your baby is actually ALIVE and happy! And if you're a mother who's relived the child is dead, instead of not with you, you need to stop being so selfish and think of what's best for the child.
And going back to "And if you don't believe that abortion is wrong, then why should it be made illegal because someone else thinks it's wrong?"...Why should abortion be LEGAL because someone else thinks it's fine? You could say that about anything.
Abortion means killing. Slaughter. Period. There's nothing more to it. People do have rights to make their own decisions, but do they have a right to kill someone? I don't think so, because its not "just a woman and her body." It's so much more. ♥
I CAN make the decision myself, that's what's so wonderful. Once again, that's why I'm prochoice. If I can make my own decisions about whether or not I want an abortion, why should we take that right away from every other woman in America? If I wanted to get an abortion, I could. If not, then I wouldn't have to. You don't know the situation that people are in. To be pro-life means you are against the killing of the fetus, but does that really mean that you are pro-life? What about the mother? The woman? She has a right to live as well, and that means a right to her own decisions. Pro-life is a nice way to say that you just want the woman to suck it up and have the baby. Sometimes it's not that easy. Try putting yourself in each and every one of these women's positions, and then still say that you believe abortion should be outlawed. It's not murder. Murder is killing a living breathing human being, and you can't call a fetus a person. It's not a person until it's born. If it becomes a person as soon as the sperm hits the egg, than doesn't that mean the sperm and egg are human too? Preventing birth is preventing life. How is that not wrong? And it's called a fetus for a reason. The baby doesn't have any emotions. It doesn't know that you're "killing" it. And if life is so precious, then shouldn't it be illegal to squish mosquitos in the summertime? Don't animals have as many rights as us?
Anyway, you say that the baby becomes a person as soon as the sperm hits the egg. But birth control prevents that. So isn't birth control preventing life from happening?
Unprotected sex isn't always a choice. What happens if you're a rape victim? Who would even want to give birth to a child that is a constant reminder of a horrific incident? And so it's one mistake, one slip up, and that means the mother should be forced to bring up the baby? Or give it up for adoption? Sometimes the best and easiest answer is abortion.
To say that abortion is wrong and not neccesary for any circumstance is what is REALLY wrong. Anyway, fight and scream and shout about how wrong abortion is all you want, and all you're gonna get is making abortion illegal. And that would do more harm than good. It would just cause for illegal abortions and not only would the babies die but more mothers would too.
Making abortion illegal does not stop it. It just makes it riskier, less safe, and consumes more lives. Now is that what you really want?
I'd just like to ask more about how you figure that once the egg is fertalized, it becomes human. A fertalized egg and a living breathing human are two very different things. Anyway, if an egg is a human, isn't a chicken egg just like a chicken? When you eat omeletts, are you eating a poor baby chicken that wasn't given the chance to live?
A baby isn't a person until it is delivered. It has no feelings. No memories. No ANYTHING until it has been delivered.
It was a cute way to tie Dr.Seuss into your argument, but I believe his quote was referring to PEOPLE, not fertalized eggs.
This all means that abortion is not murder. Because murder means killing a person. And an unborn fetus is not a person. It's an unborn fetus.
Once again, please tell me what happens when abortion becomes outlawed and women resort to "back alley" abortions. These would be in unsanitary, uncontrolled conditions, less than ideal for either the mother OR the child.
If you're so intent on saving lives, outlawing abortion is not the way to do it. Illegal and unsanitary abortion would harm the child and could often hurt the mother.
How could we get around that?
I'd also like to go back to the first comment you posted.
"The baby you choose to abort could be a powerful, successfull person, and you could be denying the world of a brilliant mind. God put us ALL on the planet for a reason and we ALL deserve to live on it."
It's a good point, but you make it sound like just because it's a child that was aborted, it WAS going to grow up to become a brilliant mind. It's just a "you never know" sorta thing.
But let me ask you this: what if it ridded world of a horrible person? What if Adolf Hitler's mom had gotten an abortion?
If you're saying that the baby could be an amazing person, I can retaliate and say it could have been a horrible person. Abortion does not make the difference between a brilliant person and a horrible person. It's just a fetus.
I would like to hear your defenition of a person. Please. It's not "just a fetus". It's a life. It lives, it breathes, it feels pain. The fact is: It IS a living breathing human, and if that's what you define murder as, then is definetly murder. I found it kind of weird that you compared the baby to a misquito. Killing misquiotoes shouldn't be illegal! A misquito is a bug! And no, animals don't have as many rights as humans, that's just how it is. And eating a chicken egg is acceptable, because eating a chicken is acceptable. You can't compare a human life to an insect or chicken. They're just not the same.
No. The egg and sperm are NOT human seperatley, but when they come together they form a baby and life starts. Right then. The baby is alive at all stages of the pregnancy. It's NOT just a meaningless bug until it is born. (http://www.hawaii.edu/malamalama/2001/01/images/Fetal.jpg) Look at that link. It shows you which parts of the baby develop at what stages of pregnancy. Maybe that will make you see how human this baby is.
I understand you keep calling it a fetus to dehumanize it, but how many mothers do you hear saying "Honey, we're having a fetus!" "Oh, my God, I heard my fetus's heartbeat today!" "My fetus is a girl!" "I got an ultrasound of my fetus yesterday!" I bet not very many. The fact is: it's a person. Just because it's at the first stages of life, doesn't mean it's not living.
ps. a lot of rape victims have their babies. Just because the baby is a result of a horrible rapist, doesn't mean the baby will grow up to be a HORRIBLE RAPIST. Once again, you're putting women against their babies. The child didn't do anything wrong! Just because it's daddy raped people, doesn't mean you should kill it. Does that mean if there's a born baby who's father or mother rapes people should be killed? I don't see how this is different.
You can't tell the future. Hate to break it to you, but you can't. You don't know that women will get their insides torn up illegally by some unprofessional bum in a dark alley if abortion becomes illegal. What kind of woman would do that to herself, anyway? They would risk dying to kill their baby? I thought they were risking dying by HAVING their baby! Which is it? What are you trying to say?
When it comes down to it, the woman DOES come before the mother. If she would die if she was to give birth, then the woman obviously comes first. But, that's a medical issue. That's not what we're talking about here.
I never said the baby WOULD grow up to be powerful and sucessfull. I said that was a possibility. What I was trying to get across was you don't know what this baby is going to grow up to be. If you kill it before it has a chance, you will never find out.
You said sometimes the easiest solution is abortion. Is easiet always the best? Sometimes we DO have to conquer our fears and do things the hard way. And I think we SHOULD have to do that sometimes. Getting an abortion because it's the easiest solution is NOT a good reason to abort.
As I said before, birth control prevents life from happening, but there is no life yet. Birth control is perfectly acceptable. You can't kill the baby because there is no baby.
To me, murder means killing someone who's living. A fetus is living and abortion is murder.
I am Pro Choice because you don't know how the woman got pregnant she couldve been raped. and at what point do u think the cells or whatever become a person.
Okay umm you said a person is living breathing and feels pain. Fetuses can't feel pain. A fertalized egg cannot feel pain. Just because people don't call it a fetus, doesn't mean it isn't. A fetus is a fetus is a fetus. How do you know whether or not it can feel pain? My guess is that it can't.
And okay umm you're right, I can't tell the future. But there was a time when abortion WAS illegal, and illegal abortions definitely took place. What makes you think it wouldn't happen again?
A teenager who doesn't want to face the embarrassment of a child at such a young age. A rape victim who does not want to bear the child of such a horrific incident. {once again, please tell me how wrong I am about how a rape victim would want an abortion. If you so fervently believe that they wouldn't, try talking to one}
Of course these people, and more, would resolve to abortion. Why would you know what they would or wouldn't do? You're not in their situation.
Honestly, I don't want to change your opinion because it's clear to me that you are very firm in your narrow-minded beliefs.
No matter how wrong I truly believe you are, I'm not going to demean myself by trying my hardest to prove you wrong, as well as BROADCASTING it to the whole world.
No matter what I say, you're still gonna be pro-life. No matter how unconstitutional, biggoted and silly your opinions are {to me at least} I'm not gonna change your mind.
And as was proven today, you couldn't handle when I posted NOT anonymously, because you had to discuss it in school.
It's an online debate.
If it's an online debate, I'll discuss it online. If it's a face to face debate, I'll discuss it to your face.
But not both.
Anyway, I'm ending the debate by saying that I am done trying to convince you that my ways are right, because I am content knowing that my ways ARE right. I don't need you to agree.
And it's getting a little immature, it's getting talked about on your away messages, at school, etc etc.
So if you want to post another comment and debate some more, it's fine. But your wasting your breath and time cuz you won't convince me.
♥ becca
Remember, no hard feelings. As you said, we don't like cutesy debates!
I agree with strudel 100%
Strudel is completely right what are you think skittles? Well maybe your just not. I think you should really go do some more research you are so close minded.
I wish anonymous people would say who they are. I guess your just not proud enough of your opinion...
What do you mean, what am I thinking? What are YOU thinking? How can you not think abortion is muderous? Your comments are incomplete.
Strudel, this is for you. First of all, it has been proven that a fetus feels pain. During a type of commonly used abortion, the baby is literally burned alive. Maybe you should stop guessing and look at the facts. And as for me making this debate personal and "broadcasting" it, you are very wrong. I told one person because I wanted to know what she thought. We shouldn't even be talking about this on an online debate, considering it has NOTHING to do with abortion. Maybe if you had some respect for me and the people who are reading these comments, you wouldn't try to embarass me or attack me personally, because PS, good debaters stay on subject. Debate the topic, not the person. ;)
And as for "if abortion would be illegal, it would cause for back alley abortions". Are you saying that just because people will do something when it's illegal, it should be legal? People are shoplifting right now, even though it's illegal. Are you saying we should make shoplifting legal because people do it anyway? This is the same thing. "Back alley" abortions are happening right now, with abortion legal. They will happen either way.
Once again, many rape victims have chosen to have their children. It's not the child's fault, is it?
How am I narrow minded? I am thinking of the wellfare of both the mother and the child. Abortions do not keep in mind the child, who would have been born. Even if you believe that the "fetus" is not living, you cannot deny that abortions deny its prospect of living. Abortions are prohibiting the possibilty of life of the "fetus", as you like to call it. Here on the pro-life side, we call it a baby, because it IS a baby!
What about handicapped people? People believe they are a burden to society, they are unwanted in their families, but we don't just kill them. Because killing is wrong.
You say my opinions are unconstitutional. The Constitution states that, and I quote, everyone is guaranteed "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Abortion denies the baby's constitutional rights. If anything, YOUR views are "unconstitutional."
Snappy remarks don't work. Glad we could debate. Be happy. Don't kill. Love life, everyone deserves to. ♥♥♥
Skittles is out.
Where did you hear that fetuses can feel pain? I'm sure if you were burned to death, you would feel pain, but you're not a fetus, are you? Are you inventing facts or something? A baby can't feel pain until week 12. {yes, i actually looked this up. See how much more factual it is when you research your facts?} So if an abortion is made before then, then the baby can't feel it. Don't be arguing with the facts.
I suppose you don't understand why rape victims choose to have abortions. It is not because they believe the child will grow up to be like the father, but because it is a constant reminder of that horrible day, and the majority of rape victims are not ready for a child in their lives, so why should they be forced into motherhood?
I will not argue. You make good arguments. But not good enough. You may think that you are considering the women, but you really aren't. You're not considering every single situation that a women could be in that would make them want to have an abortion. You clearly don't care either.
And you said so yourself, good debaters stay on the topic. So why do you feel it neccesary to attack whoever posts as anonymous? Perhaps they are posting anonymously because they don't want to be attacked by you in person either. It has nothing to do with shame in their beliefs. Maybe they don't want to set up a whole account either. Once again, it's a perfect example of how you are making assumptions instead of putting yourself in someone else's shoes. Whoever is posting anonymously, you go right ahead. If you don't want to reveal yourself, you're not going to be forced!
And this is for skittles: Don't tell me what "good debaters" do. Because good debaters do their research. And they get their information from non biased resources, not prolife.org or something.
Once again, you don't understand what I am saying with back alley abortions. Where have you read that there are a considerable amount of them going on at this point?
Obviously nowhere, unless you count your own mind.
What I'm saying is, you are hoping to end innocent people from dying by making abortion illegal. But all that's gonna happen is abortion is gonna be illegal. That's it. It's still gonna take place. And you can't stop it. It would be more dangerous and it would occur often. Maybe you think that the woman should be punished if she tries to get an abortion? I sincerely hope not.
Pro-lifers do not think of what the women feels at all. They prefer to save the life of an unborn, developing fetus rather than a living breathing human. Stop telling me to call the fetus a baby, cuz it's a fetus, so that's what I'll call it. Not to dehumanize it. but because a fetus is, in fact, a fetus. No arguing around that. Unless of course, you wish to invent some more facts?
Murder is killing a person. A fetus is not a person.
Like a wise bumper sticker once said: If you don't like abortion, don't get one. Stop trying to enforce your rules into other people's lives. THAT is what is unconstitutional about your opinion.
And newsflash. A lot of pro-lifers keep their beliefs until their daughters get pregnant. Now isn't THAT an interesting tidbit?
If everyone stayed out of everyone else's personal business, none of this would happen. If you want to make such decisions like this for millions of women, then you should at least put yourself in millions of different situations.
I would like to finish up with a comment that focuses on the facts, not neccesarily my opinion. I visited this site: http://www.religioustolerance.org
It is an UNBIASED website that focuses on BOTH arguments of abortion, both pro-life and pro-choice. It defines its terms ahead of time, and states all the facts. it was written by many people who are avid believers in prolife or prochoice. It is extremely factual and completely unbaised. There will be things that you completely agree with and others that you completely do not.
First of all, when this website lists some terms, such as pregnancy, abortion, and when a human life begins, many of the pro-life definitions are ones that they make up themselves. However, almost all prochoice definitions agree with the medical definitions. (http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_cont.htm)
What does this say? Pro-lifers make up their own definitions so that they fit their beliefs and opinions, while pro-choicers use medical and factual definitions of certain words. In fact, all words.
There was also some dispute as to whether or not embryos or fetuses can feel pain. The unbiased, factual site states that, and I will quote: "Many pro-life groups emphasize that embryos start to develop pain sensors a few weeks after conception. Many readers of their literature then assume that embryos can feel pain from this point in pregnancy onwards. However all available evidence shows that even though these sensors develop early in pregnancy, human embryos cannot actually sense pain. Certain major components of the central nervous system that are necessary to feel pain are not present and functioning."
There ya go. It's not up for debate. It's not your opinion whether or not fetuses can feel pain. It is a fact that they cannot. However, since there are still pro-lifers that insist that babies can feel pain, there are many women out there experiancing considerable guilt as they wonder whether or not their baby felt it when they got an abortion. (a tasty tidbit to any of those women if you are reading this: it didn't!)
There are many, many, many more very interesting facts that are stated on this website. I understand that most pro-lifers may be scared of a website that is factual rather than biased and agreeable, I highly reccomend this site because although it uses medical facts {which are most often used by pro-choicers in debates, not pro-lifers} it also states every side's opinion.
If you would truly like to prove that you are not narrow minded, it would be essential to visit this site. It gives arguments for both sides and is EXTREMELY open minded.
But be warned! For those of you who do not want to know the actual facts, rather than the ones that you enjoy to make up in your head, or read from a biased website, do not visit this website! (http://www.religioustolerance.org)
It lists only the facts, which may differ from what you think! And since it seems that you may not be able to be educated beyond your beliefs, it could be too much for you to handle!
its kinda funny an pointless to argue bout this cuz abortion hasnt been illegal for a while and its not gonna be illegal. ever. that means that people who are prochoice are giving better arguments then prolife otherwise aborton would be illegal but it isnt so prolifers should get over themselves cuz its not gonna change and strudel makes so much mroe sense then skittle haha
Strudel I just wanted to congradulate you. You make a lot of sence seem to have done your research and are open minded. You did a really good job in this debate. Congrats! I totally agree with you! You have my support
Shir? Who is this?
I agree that Becca did a very good job, but I did my research too. Just because you agree with her opinions doesn't mean she's the only one who did a good job. I worked very hard on this debate and I wish someone would appreciate that I did instead of saying I don't make any sense.
Steph, you make soooooo much sense! I totally agree with you! I can totally tell you did your research!!! And don't worry, I know a ton of people that agree with you! Just look at the more than 1000 people that just go to our church!
-Zoe
Although I am pro choice you did a good job too Steph and you should get congrats. Nice job!
Thank you. I would like to know where you guys stand on the death penalty.
By the way, where's Mary?
She still hasn't made a name! She's just really lazy! She doesn't comment but she's just CHECKING on the blog!
Email me! zothetoe1215@yahoo.com
-Zoe
First of all, I removed the first post that i wrote {above} because i recognized that I made a little gramatical error and it didn't make sense. No biggie! Anyway, this is what I had to say:
Thank you so much Shir! I did spend over an hour reading that site and it's VERY interesting. It covers lots of other controversial topics- not just abortion! I highly recommend it to everyone!
Isn't Shir allowed to compliment one person? Does she have to compliment everyone else too? I wish people on this blog didn't take everything so PERSONALLY. It was a congratulations. Nobody told anybody that they didn't make sense.
Shir- I appreciate that you and me can see eye to eye on this! :)
OK. Actually an anoymous commenter did say that I don't make sense. I was just saying that I debated just as well as you did, and did rerearch too. I just thought it sounded like she only complimented you because she agrees with you. Is is so terrible that I stand up for myself when someone recognizes something good you do when I did the same thing? I think maybe someone is being a little selfish. I unerstand you want all of the attention, but I don't think you rightfully desserve all of it. Everyone has been saying how much of a great job you did, but no one has complimented me. I didn't know that I did so horribly.
I don't take everything so personally and I think that comment was a bit rude.
I found a website that explains what Steph and I have been arguing for the whole time! All of you guys that are against us should really check out this website!
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/expertfaqframe.asp
This website has many things that I believe in even before people started debating! Becca this should also answer that question you had about that one of the ten commandments!
I did visit the link and I was able to find the abortion arguments, however, I couldn't find an answer to the queston I asked you about the ten commandments! If you could send me a direct link to that page, I would greatly appreciate it.
Anyway, that is an extremely biased website. It is pro-life arguments written by someone who is prolife. I knew that, yet I still visited it. HOWEVER
The best websites to visit concerning ANY debateable topic are those that are unbiased and those that cover both sides of the argument.
It frusterated me a little bit that the site stated opinions as facts. That's why I REALLY want you guys to visit this website: http://www.religioustolerance.org/abortion.htm
It is open minded and it talks about all sides of the argument. There's no excuse for you not to go one it. After all, I willingly visited a site that is explicitly and openly prolife. It OBVIOUSLY not only leaned towards the prolife opinions, but practically fell on top of them! {its a metaphor, if you will. :]}
The site i suggest does not lean towards any opinions, which is why it frusterates me so much that nobody is willing to visit it! It just has a lot of good information. Not even really opinions, but more like facts and stuff. Please visit it. I'm asking you as a friend, not a debater.
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I visited it a while ago. And I think Zoe gave you that website because she wanted to show you pro-life opinions that she thought you might be confused about. I'm not sure though. Zoe?
Lil' Bec, I agree the website is very open minded and informational. Good job finding it and thanks for sharing it. After reading many articles on this website, I'm still pro-life.
I'm sorry that everyone has been thinking I take things very personally, when not so much. I am very easily irritated but I wish to see you all in debates in the future. (pretend cyber handshake goes here).
Thanks again! It's been...interesting!
♥Skittles
ps. Can you believe this post has 39 comments! Unbelievable!
Actually there's 38 comments. Oops. Sorry.
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